Comments on: How to perpetuate racism

By: dgoepfrich

dgoepfrich — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:08:41 +0000

I just posted my response to this. Read it at https://danielgoepfrich.com/how-to-end-racism/

By: dgoepfrich

dgoepfrich — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:00:35 +0000

In reply to lprakhn. Yes, I do - and I'm working on both of them today!

By: lprakhn

lprakhn — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:12:49 +0000

We're patiently waiting for pastor's new post. Oh yeah, he owes us one on salvation without heaven too doesn't he?

By: Michael1963

Michael1963 — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:47:41 +0000

I think the race thing is wrong, but out there. Previously it was discussed about getting denied applications because of race. I wonder how the person was dressed. I saw when a company I worked for advertised for a worker. The people came in to get applications, some in business attire others came in with there boxers showing, ripped clothes, you name it we saw it for 10 days. I understand you are a individual, but if you want a job dress appropriately for what you are applying for. I have worked with people of all races in my life. I have witnessed reverse prejudice also. I knew one person who would not talk to a white person unless it was unavoidable, militarily required. It is sad that he judged people without giving them a chance and then made it out to be their fault. It goes both ways. If I placed a German flag outside my home or on my car, I am sure I would be looked at differently. To the melting pot discussion, you must try to assimilate into society instead of wanting the country to add your language to everything. If you draw attention to your difference why be surprised when people notice your different. I think we need to think about all this to understand how we perpetuate racism ourselves.

By: lprakhn

lprakhn — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:41:47 +0000

In reply to Erica.

I ALMOST agree with you. BUT… When you come in "on your own time" to get an application, that truly is your first interview. Your appearance has a great impact on whether or not you will be called in for an "official" interview. When you ask for an application you may be on your own time, but you're asking the employer for their time and money.

I have been a supervisor a good percentage of my working career. Trust me when I say first impressions are the most important. If a person that wants the application cares, they will present themselves in such a manner when requesting the form to be on "my time." That not only applies to clothing, but appearance (shaving, haircut, etc) and hygiene.

The only way I can recommend you to get past the initial "judgment" is to start your own business so you can write your own rules. That's the benefit of our free America. Not many other countries can you do such a thing.

By: lprakhn

lprakhn — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:36:43 +0000

In reply to Erica. No, but bring it into the workplace. Not only do I have an opinion, but I must present my business in a fashion as not to offend my patrons nor make them uncomfortable. A famous statement that MY boss makes (as you well know who he is) he says "Wear my brand, take my money, do it my way. Represent my company as I would when you wear my brand."

By: Erica

Erica — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:29:09 +0000

Now if they come in for an interview with their clothes like that then I completely understand not hiring them. But if you're making this decision when they come in for an application I have a problem with that. It will hurt you in no way to simply give this person an application and if you make a decision after you've looked at their credentials, I say thats just if thats what it's based on. And to require a certain dress code in the work place is understandable as well, "a professional image to display" but to judge them for wearing these garments on their own time I disagree with. I have tattoos and piercings and a lot of people don't agree with them and I don't cover them up when I go in to pick up applications. But they can be covered in the workplace and for interviews. I am a hard worker and I am in my opinion intelligent so I would find it very unfair for someone to judge me due to what I choose to look like on my own time.

By: Erica

Erica — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:28:53 +0000

In reply to lprakhn. I personally don't consider that a culture but if you do why is it such a problem? It doesnt appeal to you so what, so don't dress like that (not to sound childish or nasty but really why does it matter)?. Although unattractive someone wearing their pants to their crack and hat to the side doesnt hurt anyone, if they belong to a gang and carry a gun yada yada but these can be completely seperate. If all you have against this person is the bagginess of their clothes than you should have no reason to dislike the person themselves, you may dislike their choice of style but again thats the beauty of America, individuality.

By: Erica

Erica — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:13:40 +0000

In reply to lprakhn. To ask for it as a whole means that all of these minorities would then have to have as equal an opportunity as anyone else for it to work in everyone's best interest. As stated above though that is obviously never going to come to pass so if the "underdog" (whether this is a minority or just someone in need) needs help then they should get it, they should have to work for it but they should get it. Obviously affirmative action and minority scholorships and such were put in place because those in charge saw fit to do so.

By: lprakhn

lprakhn — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:03:05 +0000

In reply to Erica. Now, define diversity for me. I'm all for your hopeful image, I just don't see it as realistic. Is diversity and the celebration of one's heritage a display of past culture? Or is it wearing pants half down their crack and a hat to one side? I surely wouldn't hire someone that showed me their undergarments. I still have a professional image to display. If someone came in with "culturalistic" clothing on then I would have no problem considering that person for a job, but when they come in with their pants half way to their ankles, I have a problem with that. That has nothing to do with culture, it's the image of a thug.